Pulitzer Prize-winning trumpeter Wynton Marsalis has blasted Hip Hop in a new interview with The Washington Post’s Cape Up podcast.

The jazz musician has been critical of rap for years, but he ramped up the ferocity of his criticism by adding an unfavorable comparison to last year’s removal of the Robert E. Lee Monument in his hometown of New Orleans.

“You can’t have a pipeline of filth be your default position, and it’s free,” Marsalis told host Jonathan Capehart. He continued, “For me, it was not a default position in the ’80s. Marsalis — who’s also been critical of developments in his own genre such as jazz fusion — bluntly said he doesn’t like rap and noted how long he’s been vocal about his distaste for Hip Hop. He did call rapping a “creative endeavor” but said most popular Hip Hop isn’t a good “default position” for the majority of culture.

Later, he brought up Hip Hop in context to the much-publicized removal of the statue of Confederate general Robert E. Lee — a process the jazz musician was partly responsible for along with former New Orleans Mayor Mitch Landrieu. “My words are not that powerful,” Marsalis said.

Check out the entire interview below:

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